Hoppers

[blinket]

with the .50 cal, is everyone going to have to go out and buy a new hopper or are there going to be conversion kits made?

it just dosnt sound fair that everyone who has spent good money on a Prophecy or Rotor may have to buy a brand new hopper!

[Piper]

If you choose to buy new 50 gun then unless the other companies make drop in kits you will need a new hopper.

However no one is forcing anyone to change it really is your choice.

I have heard that DYE are making a drop in kit for the rotor but I have not had this confirmed from anyone at DYE. I will speak to Tommy when he get's back from teh world cup as I am sure he will have some more info.

[blinket]

i think most people would prefer the drop ins

i wouldnt mind .50 cal, so long as i could get a drop in for my DM and my Rotor id be happy to use it providing all the velocity issues etc were fully adressed

[Joey]

G.I. Milsim has their own line of .50 caliber specific loading systems.

Prior to the completion of the loaders, G.I. Milsim's guns were completed, so in order to test the guns G.I Milsim needed to retrofit other loaders for testing.

Some retrofits are very simple and easy, the retrofitted Revolution was simply a sized metal sleeve in the feed tube.

Although G.I. Milsim can't speak on behalf of other companies, the possibities and ease of retrofitting loaders is very very possible.

Just having gotten back from WC, I spoke to quite a few companies - such as Pinokio. With the drop in kit they have prepared a Pinokio will fit 50 shy of 1000 .50 cal paintballs with the nose! Insane! Imagine having that power off the break!

[3L1TE hax]

at 10 bps the hopper size doesnt really change anything after a point. 400 was rediculous, 1000 is just un needed. i just realised how much smaller everything is going to be, hoppers are going to be non-exsistant :P

[blinket]

to be honest i would be quite happy to have a hopper that held 400 at a time and was the same size as a 200 round .68 cal hopper

means i wouldnt have to reload as often in scenario!

[Joey]

Less pods needed for x ball points. As a front player you can go on field with just your hopper and maybe a pod in your pocket. Forget your pack. . . . . .

Gone will be the days of back players lugging 13 pods of paint for 7 man. . .. .

All the players I've spoken to, however, said they would prefer the same size loader with a larger capacity over having a smaller loader with the same capacities of traditional force feed .68 cal loaders.

[Sid Sidgwick]

Will having 400 in a hopper + 10bps ramping stiffle movement?

Just a pondering for today

[blinket]

perhaps but, i think most people are psyched on being able to hold alot more ammo in the same sized hopper

the example of the pinokio holding just shy of 1000 rounds suprised me

back players could very easily dominate games with that much paint in already

[Sid Sidgwick]

Thats my point, lanning is now a hell of a lot easier, will this not lead to boring games with people waiting an age for others to pot up. Hell a co-ordianted team may never need too

[Joey]

Out the gate, this is going to be a huge advatage to teams that embrace .50 cal

A few years back when a friend of mine, Jeff Hunter, from Div 1 NPPL team FACTION was sponsored by Pinokio they said it was a huge advatage for them onfield - they were getting 400 paintballs off the break to everyone elses approximate 180.

Jeff said he noticed his team making an huge amount of ground on the field during that advantage - he figured that besides the players they could pick off on the break, they made most of their kills during that first pot up.

The Force Feed G.I. Milsim loader fits 420 paintballs. . . . ..

[thomas221289]

as a front player if i run and make the snake of the break how will you have any advantage to get me with 50. your still at 300fps you just dont have to reload but who pops in to reload now?

[blinket]

i see what your getting at, it could be the team that gets lucky on the break will just dominate for the entire game because of the sheer volume of ammo they can put down

however it also depends on how many pellets for gas etc

[Sid Sidgwick]

Tom the way I see it you can still get to the snake but expect to be keeping your head in for a lot lot lot longer

[thomas221289]

Tom the way I see it you can still get to the snake but expect to be keeping your head in for a lot lot lot longer


i see that im all for 50. just testing out ppls views :P but remeber is all 10 players have 50. cal then it just puts back to where we are now but but saving more money in the long run.

we wont be shooting more paint because the game is still the same and no one at tournys worries about how much paint we are shooting we just keep shooting till we are hit or won the game

[Sid Sidgwick]

im still undecided, I await to see the actual costing and quality of the paint. I think the advantages are huge but my cynical nature waits to be see if the hype lives up to the reality.

[head_-_shot]

Players will have to shot more, because the reviews have show that .50 calibre paint bounces a lot more and peepz who get away with wiping now will have a lot of fun with .50 calibre paint :)
so we may need to carry same amount of pots because the paint is $h!t

[blinket]

you cant just say flat out that .50 cal is S***. The new paintball is like any product, it will alwaysbe refined, how many times do you buy food and it has something like, "new imporved flavour!" on the side of it? Its natural that paint companies are going to have to fidle and tweak the shell and/or fill of .50 cal to get it right.

The cournel didnt make chicken that good on try number one after all did he!!!

[Shylad]

Players will have to shot more, because the reviews have show that .50 calibre paint bounces a lot more and peepz who get away with wiping now will have a lot of fun with .50 calibre paint :)
so we may need to carry same amount of pots because the paint is $h!t

The .50 Cal paint has been developed so it brakes just as well as the .68 and the fill is much more "dense" so it's harder to wipe and as it's more compact, it will leave more of the paint on the player whereas with the .68, you get a lot more "splatter".

At least that's how i've sort of figured it:p

No doubt someone will correct me if i'm wrong.

[blinket]

whats shylad means by splatter is that the mark from a .50 cal and a .68 cal are the same size. As stated in another thread this is because alot of the paint from a .68 cal splashes back

hence why there are equal sized marks from .50s and .68s

[tech]

From the vids posted in the other threads in this sections I was surprised by how large the hit was on the goggles but the body hits did seem small and may be easy to lose.

As per the paint been bouncy I have shot a fair bit of .68 paint over the last ten years, everything from Hellfire to cod roe (clear shell with near orange water fill).

Paint reacts with the heat and moisture so depending how you treat your paint you can make even the best paint bouncy very quickly. Heck there are many sites that will only shoot paint that gets 0-1 on a bounce test!

Yes it will have taken a few runs to a few months to get the paint tourni ready but Richmond has been working on this for a while.

Once Piper has some .50 on our shores we shall see what it is like for ourselves.

[DJForbes]

how do you gusy work out 400 balls in a hopper ? a standard hopper is 200. we have taken of .28 from a ball. not half.

i work it out at 272 balls a hopper of standard size


thats 36 more in a 100 pod. not going to make that diffrence. whats that about 3 seconds on semi ?

[John C]

how do you gusy work out 400 balls in a hopper ? a standard hopper is 200. we have taken of .28 from a ball. not half.

i work it out at 272 balls a hopper of standard size


thats 36 more in a 100 pod. not going to make that diffrence. whats that about 3 seconds on semi ?

Your thinking in 1 dimension.

These paintballs have been reduced by .28 in the X Y and Z direction. The result is roughly half the volume.


Or an alternative way of putting it:
Trust me. Its about half the volume.

[John C]

whats shylad means by splatter is that the mark from a .50 cal and a .68 cal are the same size. As stated in another thread this is because alot of the paint from a .68 cal splashes back

hence why there are equal sized marks from .50s and .68s

At what range was this test performed?

What was the target made from?



I have a funny feeling this theory would only hold water at close range on hard targets.

[DJForbes]

there balls. so not square. the space reducsion on a ball is less than a square. it wont double the space am sure of that,


another thing is will these work better or worse in wind ?

[philfull]

the vid of chris lasoya shooting 50cal was the full length of a psp field and the hits looked big enough for a ref to see. the mask hits looked about the size of .68 the body hits looked a bit smaller but noticable.

[John C]

there balls. so not square. the space reducsion on a ball is less than a square. it wont double the space am sure of that,


another thing is will these work better or worse in wind ?


But they are 3 dimensional objects.

There are mathematical formulas for the volume of a sphere in relation to its diameter.
These rules were first discovered by Archimedes.
He didnt pull these formulas out of his ass.

GI milsim didnt either (in this instance ;))



Google the volume of a sphere.

Sphere volume = 4/3 * PI * (radius * radius * radius)
Notice how radius appears 3 times on the right hand side of the formula. Thats because radius is a 1 dimensional property and volume is a 3 dimensional one.

For 68 cal thats:
4.19 * (0.34 * 0.34 * 0.34) = 0.16468376

For .5 cal thats:
4.19 * (0.25 * 0.25 * 0.25) = 0.0654

So a .68 cal ball is in fact two and a half times the volume of a .5 cal.

[SAMUEL.D.RYAN]

Tom the way I see it you can still get to the snake but expect to be keeping your head in for a lot lot lot longer

I don't see how? I don't know many back players that haven't learnt how to pod up while still shooting their lane...

[thomas221289]

I don't see how? I don't know many back players that haven't learnt how to pod up while still shooting their lane...


exsactly all that can happen is you can carry and shoot more balls! they still shooting the same fps you wont shoot more a game because its the same rof same game time the same style of play just smaller ball more efficancy and we all save some cash