Just a thought

[FrontManDan]

ive been away from paintballing for a while and i come back and this has happened?!?

Doesnt this just seem like the newest way to squeeze your wallets. From the outside looking in, it appears that the manufactures might be getting desperate. i mean really how much better is the newest EGO compared to its predecessor. Proberbly not enough to justify spending £845 on the newest model.

If theres no reason to upgrade, then just invent one.

[DJForbes]

sounds like you dont no how the world works.

everything you buy is like that.
take the new CODMW2 why by that it aint much diffrent.

or a new pair of shoes.

unless you need something or they have made a way to make a "better" shoe its just stupid. however i am stupid and altho my ,arker is prob better than a Ego 10 i still want 1

[TheGurkha]

sounds like you dont no how the world works.

everything you buy is like that.
take the new CODMW2 why by that it aint much diffrent.

or a new pair of shoes.

unless you need something or they have made a way to make a "better" shoe its just stupid. however i am stupid and altho my ,arker is prob better than a Ego 10 i still want 1

I see FMDan's point, in fairness.

MW2? have you played it? of course its different.

Shoes. I buy shoes when my old ones rip.

Really bad comparisons there!

[Tom Allen]

let's say it shoots more or less similar to the existing .68, and it marks more or less similar to the .68, and it breaks more or less similar to the .68...................

it's cheaper,
it's smaller,
it's less painfull
it uses less gas.

So you get more for your bucks,
so you can hold more paint in the hopper and pods,
so you have less bruises and it's less of a shock to the newbie,
so you get more shots from a gas tank.





Why is everyone so goddam negative:(

[3L1TE hax]

because its only the paint thats cheaper :(

[Tom Allen]

because its only the paint thats cheaper :(so it's not smaller.???????????????????

[3L1TE hax]

no, i meant that buying new markers/ drop in kits are going to be expensive, in actual fact looking at it i typed what i meant to say wrong...

basically, buying new markers and having no resale value for our old markers will be expensive, so its only the cheaper paint that will be helping us out in this situation

[NitroBall]

no, i meant that buying new markers/ drop in kits are going to be expensive, in actual fact looking at it i typed what i meant to say wrong...

basically, buying new markers and having no resale value for our old markers will be expensive, so its only the cheaper paint that will be helping us out in this situation
No one is forcing you to go .50cal. :rolleyes:

If you cannot afford a new marker, or a drop in kit, stick with what you have.
If .50cal does take off, .68cal will still be a round for some years yet.

Say if .50cal does take off next year, and the industry has already started making new kit, gear is rolling off the production line, in a few years time, you could probably pickup a secondhand .50cal marker for next to nothing. In the mean time, just shoot your current setup.

Most players lose out £100-£200 each year on average by changing markers (thats my personal estimate), hoppers life time are approx. 2 years for the average player ( a player who plays once or twice a month) before parts need changing to keep them running.

Pots/packs are cheap enough if it will become necessary to change.

Some players are wary of the fact these paintballs being so small, that the current masks may need changing. Airsoft players use same masks as paintballers.

I am neither for or against .50cal, i will make my decision when the time comes.:)

[Tom Allen]

imagine if all this negativity killed off the introduction of air, and we were still stuck with co2.

I can see the comments.


The pressure's too high,
what happens if it explodes,
my ears might explode from the hissing,
the fill time is too long,
we'll have to change our bottles



Now i wonder did we make the right decision to change to air.:mad:

[Tom Allen]

anyway, once the "pro's" change to 50cal, the sheep will follow.

[NitroBall]

imagine if all this negativity killed off the introduction of air, and we were still stuck with co2.

I can see the comments.


The pressure's too high,
what happens if it explodes,
my ears might explode from the hissing,
the fill time is too long,
we'll have to change our bottles



Now i wonder did we make the right decision to change to air.:mad:
If every person in the world played paintball, would there be any air left to breath at the weekends:p

[Tom Allen]

If every person in the world played paintball, would there be any air left to breath at the weekends:pI know, what would we do:eek:


we'd have to shoot just to breath.:)

[Clompy]

imagine if all this negativity killed off the introduction of air, and we were still stuck with co2.

I can see the comments.


The pressure's too high,
what happens if it explodes,
my ears might explode from the hissing,
the fill time is too long,
we'll have to change our bottles



Now i wonder did we make the right decision to change to air.:mad:

Obvoiusly you didn't stand next to Nige in the Freekz air filling station Tom:eek: That did scare the bejesus out of me, Still prefer air though (just hate to fill nowadays)

C

[Tom Allen]

Obvoiusly you didn't stand next to Nige in the Freekz air filling station Tom:eek: That did scare the bejesus out of me, Still prefer air though (just hate to fill nowadays)

C
i've seen worse:D

strange thing though, the only person killed by a paintball bottle was killed by a co2 bottle.:cool:

[Reiner]

anyway, once the "pro's" change to 50cal, the sheep will follow.The majority of the paintball world doesn't know who the pros are.

I hope I'm stepping on too many egos.

[philfull]

let's say it shoots more or less similar to the existing .68, and it marks more or less similar to the .68, and it breaks more or less similar to the .68...................

it's cheaper,
it's smaller,
it's less painfull
it uses less gas.

So you get more for your bucks,
so you can hold more paint in the hopper and pods,
so you have less bruises and it's less of a shock to the newbie,
so you get more shots from a gas tank.








Why is everyone so goddam negative:(


Tom, I think most peoples bias has come from the data tests that seemed to show .68's superiority in range and breaking. Now this said how many of these people have tried .50? I would guess none.

There is a flaw to the .50 cal and that was the use of the word "revolution" in advertising and many of the threads flying around. Now .50 is not new and wont revolutionise the industry to the point that only .50 is available.

Everyone should shoot this stuff and make their own judgement from that, bandwagons have a funny way of splitting groups of people into factions, remember the electro revolution? as far as i can tell all these years later people are still shooting mech guns.


Lets just see how this pans out, to be honest I hope .50 lives up to it's promise and brings another element of choice to the game. It will help site owners survive with larger profit margines, give the average player a choice and add something to tourney play ( more shots in a hopper may slow the game down but rules could be introduced to combat this)

[Buddha 3]

Tom, I think most peoples bias has come from the data tests that seemed to show .68's superiority in range and breaking. Now this said how many of these people have tried .50? I would guess none.

There is a flaw to the .50 cal and that was the use of the word "revolution" in advertising and many of the threads flying around. Now .50 is not new and wont revolutionise the industry to the point that only .50 is available.

Everyone should shoot this stuff and make their own judgement from that, bandwagons have a funny way of splitting groups of people into factions, remember the electro revolution? as far as i can tell all these years later people are still shooting mech guns.


Lets just see how this pans out, to be honest I hope .50 lives up to it's promise and brings another element of choice to the game. It will help site owners survive with larger profit margines, give the average player a choice and add something to tourney play ( more shots in a hopper may slow the game down but rules could be introduced to combat this)

Good post, with some good points.

Given the first line of guns to be released into the "fiddy cal" market, I doubt it's aimed at tournament players anyway. If they want to embrace it, fine, but it's mostly aimed at rec play and sites. And really, do people honestly think that Joe Rental who plays once, maybe twice a year really notices the difference? I doubt it, with a capital DOUBT.

As for a revolution, let's not get stuck in semantics. You see the word revolution in pretty much every bit of advertising, so why would this be any different?

The benefit for sites is the long dollar investment. The more flourishing sites there are, the more Joe Tournament will eventually benefit as well, irrespective of whether he's shooting .68, .50 or 155mm howitzers.

[philfull]

it isn't just semantics Jay, The way revolution is used in this case brings the idea that .68 will be pushed aside and forgotten about and this is what has worried the masses. Anyone that has been in the spor for a long time has seen this before but many of the guys are new(er) ant this is the first big change they have seen in paintball.

[Gadget]

imagine if all this negativity killed off the introduction of air, and we were still stuck with co2.

I can see the comments.


The pressure's too high,
what happens if it explodes,
my ears might explode from the hissing,
the fill time is too long,
we'll have to change our bottles



Now i wonder did we make the right decision to change to air.:mad:

Tom, with all respect the analogy with HPA isn't the best, as its introduction didn't render everyone's existing investment in markers obsolete, it was simply a case of (for me) unbolting my 3.5oz expansion tank and replacing it with a HPA reg & bottom line, nothing else need to be changed. HPA also offered massive, clear-cut benefits to the majority; no more issues with liquid making your gun go hot, no more massive cloudburst in cold weather and it was significantly easier and faster to fill.

At the time some of those questions were asked - many people were concerned about the higher pressures involved. Hands-on experience alleviated many of those concerns - and the same may happen with .50 cal.

While no-one is being forced to move to 50 cal, if someone does want to take advantage of the slightly lower paint cost they are forced to either replace their current marker (or possibly pay for it to be modified), replace their existing barrels and replace their loader.

That's a significant capital outlay in order to use a ball which is almost as good as .68, but not better. Consequently many people are underwhelmed.

Efficiency and smaller size are great.....but in the time I've been playing I've never run out of air in game and I've never run out of paint - so efficiency and ball carrying are, for me at least, not an issue. Others may find more benefits here.

Cheaper paint is obviously desirable, - but if it doesn't perform quite as well as .68, why would I use it? An Ion is almost as good as an Ego/DM/Angel, but you don't see many serious tourny players opting to go for the 'nearly' option, they'd rather spend four times as much and be sure they're shooting the 'best'. If .50 cal were half the price of .68, it might tempt more people to compromise on performance, however a £5 saving a box just doesn't make it worthwhile in my opinion.

Less pain is a great idea for rental players & newbies - but as a tournament player which would you rather shoot, something that people can ignore and that is more likely to bounce due to the lower amount of energy - or something which lets people know they've been hit and is more likely to break? Personally I'd rather stick to my 'pain' balls.

A number of other people have already made the comment that the main benefits are for rental players and sites, not for tournament or serious rec players. I'd agree with that.

Obviously all of the above comes with the caveat that I've not seen or used any .50 cal products and is based purely on 2nd hand information supplied by others. I'd love to proven wrong, but most of the evidence available to date (and the laws of physics) point to the smaller, lighter .50 balls having less range, less chance of breaking and being more affected by wind. Even if the differences are small, it's not the panacea that GiMilSim have painted it to be.

[Tom Allen]

Tom, with all respect the analogy with HPA isn't the best, as its introduction didn't render everyone's existing investment in markers obsolete, it was simply a case of (for me) unbolting my 3.5oz expansion tank and replacing it with a HPA reg & bottom line, nothing else need to be changed..

Nothing else needed to be changed, did you forget the bottle/bottles.?

i'm fairly sure a drop in kit will be available for the majority of top end markers, and when replacing the hopper consider how fast you need it to feed, 30bps or 10bps.:)


I've run out of air and balls when playing, needless to say this depends on the type of game that's played.

[head_-_shot]

If it aint broke, don't fix it.

[Ellis90]

in my opinion 50cal is similar to a hell of a lot of other landmarks in paintball, for instance the introduction of.. air as someone already said, xball, electric guns.. people are resistant to change, .68 wont die as long as those people want to shoot it, however a lot of us revolve on the PSP and the millenium, if they switch then a lot of us will too.

if our sport is to progress, and be recignised as a sport we need to support that as much as possible.

as for what you said headshot, i think many people will agree with me that paintball is in a huge slump, and therefore in many ways "broke"

[Buddha 3]

it isn't just semantics Jay, The way revolution is used in this case brings the idea that .68 will be pushed aside and forgotten about and this is what has worried the masses. Anyone that has been in the spor for a long time has seen this before but many of the guys are new(er) ant this is the first big change they have seen in paintball.

I see what you mean, but don't fully agree with it. If these people we're talking about don't see the usage of the word revolution for what it is, they've been living under a rock most of their lives... It gets used in advertising of all kinds.

Besides that, it can be considered a revolution in the sense that maybe it isn't the first time a different caliber comes along, but it is the first time that a new caliber gets backed by the industry like this. For once there is an alternative. It's up to everybody for a good many years still to come to decide what you want to be shooting, but at least you have choices now.

But we're just arguing over a word here. That was only one minor piece of your post that I had some comments on. I still think your post was a good one. :)

[Buddha 3]

Nothing else needed to be changed, did you forget the bottle/bottles.?


Hell, as soon as air came around (anybody remember Govn'Air by WDP?) guns started appearing that would only run on air and these happened to be all the guns that would keep you competitive. So Tom has a major point.

[Gadget]

Edit: ignore me, I'm splitting hairs