any teams shooting 50 cal this season

[kamikaze_chris]

is anybody shooting 50 cal this season,

just thinkin i would love to have a punt with it to see how it actually fairs up :)

[Patch]

don't be ghey!

[Sid Sidgwick]

Chris do you mean in the UK or Worldwide...

[Lump]

i belive TonTon's are

[kamikaze_chris]

uk and worldwide, just wondering and thinkin, who is going to be the first uk team to shoot it

[Gadget]

More importantly, is anyone shooting it who hasn't been given sponsorship to do so?

[campbell08]

More importantly, is anyone shooting it who hasn't been given sponsorship to do so?
Thats what I was thinking aha :D

[Steve@Warped]

i belive TonTon's are

Pretty sure tontons are still dye team ;)

Dye have just realeased tontons c10 team jersey:confused:

[BubbleGumBob]

maybe the'll be using a drop in kit like you can get for egos?
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[Steve@Warped]

maybe the'll be using a drop in kit like you can get for egos?
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Dye don't do drop in kits:p

[Bolter]

maybe the'll be using a drop in kit like you can get for egos?
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Where do you buy those from then? Last I heard PE said they hadnt got plans for production.

[Gadget]

Where do you buy those from then? Last I heard PE said they hadnt got plans for production.

I think you're right, Planet only demonstrated that they could do a kit if necessary, but they're not making/selling them and presumably won't unless there's a significant take up of .50, so don't expect them any time soon.

[BubbleGumBob]

i was merly suggesting that dye might make one, and i had no idear that plaanet wernt selling them as i saw a demo of one from cup

[john251282]

As I understand it, making a drop in kit for spoolies is alot harder as the bolt would need to be totally redesigned whereas guns like an Ego just need the tip of the bolt changed so that it could slide through the drop in kit.

[sundance1968]

i had no interest in 50 cal, but after reading this thread and realising that there is the possibility of a kit for my marker its suddenly made me think of the possibilities:)

[darren lewis]

Is there anyone out there, Thinking of training with the 50 cal ball?

That's if you have spare marker.

[john251282]

No guarantees it will even take off. It would be a highly risky investment getting a 50cal marker, hopper and having to bring your own 50cal paint everywhere, as from what I have seen it is not widely available. Then review the situation in 6-12months.

Until there is full support from the major paint, hopper and marker companies nothing will change. Not many people like being forced to use 1 brand just because they are the only people that make something.

[kamikaze_chris]

i dont have a marker but i for one would be willing to play with it and give it a chance!! only way i can ever make a decision on it is to play with it in a competative situation.

[cwkotw]

i dont have a marker but i for one would be willing to play with it and give it a chance!! only way i can ever make a decision on it is to play with it in a competative situation.

completely agree would love to play a tourney with a 50cal to see what it's like

[kamikaze_chris]

come on then who is going put up a marker for me to try out and write a review :P

[Sid Sidgwick]

Good luck getting one....

[Spike]

I have a Black and Blue Nano I am striping down right now. The first Nano's into Europe hit the UK yesterday.

[liam92]

have PE refined their .50 conversion kit yet? can remember seeing a vid with jack wood showing how its done, but i'm guessing since the cure 3+ is up for sale the barrel and feedneck insert must be kicking about somewhere as well

[Sid Sidgwick]

Spike have you tried it and the paint?

[kamikaze_chris]

ooooh when can i get my hands on that,, lovely looking gun has a luxe kinda thing going on, i shot a impulse with a 50 cal kit in it at the 10 man round of a certain tourney last year and i must say shot straight and broke but still really want to put one through its paces in a game situation!

[Spike]

I shot the Micro, the Impulse and the Nano during a Distributor meeting Milsim held last week. Yes I have some old paint here that was originally made by Proc&*#$ but last week the Dark Sports paint was what we used. Yes it flew straight, not a single break in the gun and the splat size was good. Much better than the old .50 from the days of the Crossman Revolver. I've yet to try it in a tournament scenario but will be hoping to do so in the next few days.

I should add that following that meeting I am now working with Milsim - some will no doubt say that obviously I am now biased :)

As for getting hold of it Chris - when you see me next I will have it with me and you'll be welcome to have a go.

[kamikaze_chris]

oooh i look forward to it! i might not give it back lol

[Spike]

Here's a couple of pics to whet the appetite...


http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx20/Spike_1971/Milsim-Nano/th_NanoLHS.jpg (http://s737.photobucket.com/albums/xx20/Spike_1971/Milsim-Nano/?action=view&current=NanoLHS.jpg)

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx20/Spike_1971/Milsim-Nano/th_NanoRHS.jpg (http://s737.photobucket.com/albums/xx20/Spike_1971/Milsim-Nano/?action=view&current=NanoRHS.jpg)


Finally sussed out photo bucket

[kamikaze_chris]

that is the sex, what loader u using on it?

[Spike]

that is the sex, what loader u using on it?

That's a very good question as I had a Milsim mid range loader but someone stole it last week at the meeting! I'll try to get another one sent over or adapt something here.

[kamikaze_chris]

im in love with that gun,, wonder what the efficeny will be like, as you will be carrying alot more paint :)

[outkastmike]

Here's a couple of pics to whet the appetite...


http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx20/Spike_1971/Milsim-Nano/th_NanoLHS.jpg (http://s737.photobucket.com/albums/xx20/Spike_1971/Milsim-Nano/?action=view&current=NanoLHS.jpg)

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx20/Spike_1971/Milsim-Nano/th_NanoRHS.jpg (http://s737.photobucket.com/albums/xx20/Spike_1971/Milsim-Nano/?action=view&current=NanoRHS.jpg)




Finally sussed out photo bucket

Just wondering,what marker is the internal spool valve internals based on.looks nice even if i do say so myself

[kamikaze_chris]

im 99 percent certain it will work very similar to a luxe

[Lump]

im 99 percent certain it will work very similar to a luxe

id guess that as well

[Spike]

what pull trigger - ball comes out?? The valve and bolt are different. The PCB is also a different one and it doesn't speak.

[kamikaze_chris]

does it not work on the same principles as a shocker/luxe, ie air throught the bolt etc

[Swampthing]

We know its a spooler,
I think what the guys are interested in is what type, is it like a Luxe/Shocker with the dump chamber up front or in the rear like an ION/DM.

Id guess its not like the luxe and more like an Ion looking at the body shape.


To put it another way, can you post up a picture of the bolt :)

[ShimmerShot]

http://www.gimilsim.com/nano50

Exploded diagram of the nano 50 and all components in the 2/3 flash window.

[John C]

Bolt and board layout looks identical to the SP Vibe.
The low end Ion.

[Spike]

Bolt and board layout looks identical to the SP Vibe.
The low end Ion.

The Vibe took the Ion system and improved on it. It changed the circuit board, the solenoid and improved the performance on CO2 however I believe the fire rate was limited to 11 bps to prevent freezing of the valve on CO2. It was pitched cheaper than the Ion but it was a step up and the cost reduction was based upon more streamlined manufacturing and expected volumes.

A much closer comparrison could be done between the Vibe and the GI Micro

From the pictures the un-educated (no offence) may well see that the two markers are the same. The valve systems and bolt are similar although there are some machining differences on the Nano is slightly different. The bolt works similar to the Vibe which in turn is similar to the DM in some ways.

The circuit board also looks the same but a few components are different as indeed is the software on board.

Other differences between the Vibe and the Nano are;



Nano is a machined & annodised aluminium body - Vibe is plastic.
Nano is hoseless design - Vibe has hose to front reg
Nano has an adjustable LPR built into the Grip Frame - The vibe is the standard front mount type
Nano has removable eye covers


So in reality the Nano is a cross between the Micro and the Impulse.

The Milsim boys have been very good at smart manufacturing and have utilised where possible the same (or very similar) parts across their marker range. So there will be a lot of similarities and likewise techs familiar with one type will have a good head start on the others.

I'm playing with a Micro and an FM today - oh toys, I like toys!!!!.

[John C]

The Vibe took the Ion system and improved on it. It changed the circuit board, the solenoid and improved the performance on CO2 however I believe the fire rate was limited to 11 bps to prevent freezing of the valve on CO2. It was pitched cheaper than the Ion but it was a step up and the cost reduction was based upon more streamlined manufacturing and expected volumes.

A much closer comparrison could be done between the Vibe and the GI Micro

From the pictures the un-educated (no offence) may well see that the two markers are the same. The valve systems and bolt are similar although there are some machining differences on the Nano is slightly different. The bolt works similar to the Vibe which in turn is similar to the DM in some ways.

The circuit board also looks the same but a few components are different as indeed is the software on board.

Other differences between the Vibe and the Nano are;



Nano is a machined & annodised aluminium body - Vibe is plastic.
Nano is hoseless design - Vibe has hose to front reg
Nano has an adjustable LPR built into the Grip Frame - The vibe is the standard front mount type
Nano has removable eye covers


So in reality the Nano is a cross between the Micro and the Impulse.

The Milsim boys have been very good at smart manufacturing and have utilised where possible the same (or very similar) parts across their marker range. So there will be a lot of similarities and likewise techs familiar with one type will have a good head start on the others.

I'm playing with a Micro and an FM today - oh toys, I like toys!!!!.


I didnt say that was a bad thing.



Dont forget in your spiel the Vibe doesnt have eyes. The nano does.


Im a big fan of the way the ion works. The newer designs by SP are basicly a carbon copy of the lucky stage 5/5.1 ion bodies that were released a couple of years earlier. The board is in a much better position in the vibe which avoids the abysmal tolerances that come from moulding the frames.
For me working like an ion is a plus. All other things being equal its going to be more reliable than a shocker configuration.

People were asking how the gun works. You can compare it to other guns nobody has ever used like the impulse. The air comes through the grip frame which I suppose is very exciting if your 13.
The moving parts, the board position etc are from the vibe.



Edit nice to hear they improved the software. Tthey could hardly have made it any worse.

[Spike]

I didnt say that was a bad thing.



Dont forget in your spiel the Vibe doesnt have eyes. The nano does.


Im a big fan of the way the ion works. The newer designs by SP are basicly a carbon copy of the lucky stage 5/5.1 ion bodies that were released a couple of years earlier. The board is in a much better position in the vibe which avoids the abysmal tolerances that come from moulding the frames.
For me working like an ion is a plus. All other things being equal its going to be more reliable than a shocker configuration.

People were asking how the gun works. You can compare it to other guns nobody has ever used like the impulse. The air comes through the grip frame which I suppose is very exciting if your 13.
The moving parts, the board position etc are from the vibe.



Edit nice to hear they improved the software. Tthey could hardly have made it any worse.

I was assuming blackheart boards for a like for like comparrisson - these had eyes. I also left out that the vibe had volume controlling sleeves that you added to the chamber for adjustment.

Abismal toleances from molding? Tolerances really come from the drawing and not the manufacturing. Especially the stack up of tolerances when you are working with multiple parts designed by many people to fit into one assembly. Of course the supplier can make it wrong which is what I think you really mean - yes plastic parts can be tricky to get right but it depends on the QC procedures followed by the supplier. Like every paintball company in the world - they can all make crap - it depends what they do with that crap to ensure it does not enter the remainder of the production process and then on to the customer. Sample inspections, First and last batch testing, SPC etc. Yes plastics can be a problem to keep right but with the right control plan and proper adherence you can reduce the re-grind considerably whilst ensuring the product is correct. Remember the ISO phrase - we can make crap as long as our doccumentation shows that thats what we're supposed to do. On a side note - plastic headlamps and PC lenses for them caused me nothing but grief in a former life.

Lots of people have used an impulse - maybe not the latest incarnation or did I read this wrong. The moving parts are different from the Vibe. Similar in design but actually machined with some differences. The size of the valve itself is considerably different as to is the air chamber.

The hoseless design is a bonus for some - it bothers me not if with or without front hose, but asthetically it is more pleasing to the eye without that hose running to the front. So I guess I must be considered a 13 year old - 13 going on 39!

[ShimmerShot]

so, going back on topic about the thread name, do you know of any teams shooting .50cal this season Spike?

[Spike]

It did start to digress there didn't it.

Can't name names as there is nothing final yet but there are a couple that I know are considering it. One has told me that they definately want to convert as they want to reduce their costs this year. The issue until recently has been getting hold of enough equipment. I say until recently but I learned this morning from the Pie'd Piper that all the Nano's he got this week have already been sold.

I know one particular team team that is seriously considering it as they have just lost a major part of their sponsorship an will now have to pay for all of their paint in the Millenniums ;)

[ShimmerShot]

I know one particular team team that is seriously considering it as they have just lost a major part of their sponsorship an will now have to pay for all of their paint in the Millenniums ;)

DAMN! well ain't they lucky that you seem to like them

[Spike]

DAMN! well ain't they lucky that you seem to like them

I like most people - not sure what you imply there but perhaps that sounded like they were getting sponsored - far from it. They are considering it as they will have to pay their way more than last year. Just working out the rough figures based upon training usage last year they will save nearly £5k off their yearly bill. Of course you have to take into account equipment costs but then most of these guys buy a new gat every year anyway - so that could be negated plus its only a cost in year one after that its a saving year on year.

[ShimmerShot]

I never meant to imply that, just trying to sound as neutral, obs need to work on that don't mean to upset you Sir

[Spike]

I never meant to imply that, just trying to sound as neutral, obs need to work on that don't mean to upset you Sir

dont worry you didnt - no need to call me sir but I like the ring it has LOL. Pipes and I spoke about sorting out a try out day in teh not too distant future. We have a lot on our plates at the moment but we'll let everyone know when for sure.

[Lovetone]

are people still talking about this...i thought it had died tbh

[Piper]

are people still talking about this...i thought it had died tbh

Yeah we are only doing it to annoy you............

[Lovetone]

why isnt it readily available everywhere

[Piper]

why isnt it readily available everywhere

All the guns that have come in have gone straight out to distributors in Europe.

[Lovetone]

does that include goggs / loaders / paint?

[Piper]

does that include goggs / loaders / paint?

Goggles will be out later in the year we have changed it.

Loaders are in stock now (gravity) and the agitator is shipping from the factory in the next day or so

Paint is all in stock now

[kamikaze_chris]

looks like its coming guys, i for one hope to be one of the first to try it :)

[Gadget]

I'm certainly looking forward to people on opposing teams using it, never did like the pain of getting shot ;)

[lettucecheesecake]

Hopefully having a go with one on the 21st

[kamikaze_chris]

boooo i wanted first test :)

[John C]

I was assuming blackheart boards for a like for like comparrisson - these had eyes. I also left out that the vibe had volume controlling sleeves that you added to the chamber for adjustment.

Abismal toleances from molding? Tolerances really come from the drawing and not the manufacturing. Especially the stack up of tolerances when you are working with multiple parts designed by many people to fit into one assembly. Of course the supplier can make it wrong which is what I think you really mean - yes plastic parts can be tricky to get right but it depends on the QC procedures followed by the supplier. Like every paintball company in the world - they can all make crap - it depends what they do with that crap to ensure it does not enter the remainder of the production process and then on to the customer. Sample inspections, First and last batch testing, SPC etc. Yes plastics can be a problem to keep right but with the right control plan and proper adherence you can reduce the re-grind considerably whilst ensuring the product is correct. Remember the ISO phrase - we can make crap as long as our doccumentation shows that thats what we're supposed to do. On a side note - plastic headlamps and PC lenses for them caused me nothing but grief in a former life.

Lots of people have used an impulse - maybe not the latest incarnation or did I read this wrong. The moving parts are different from the Vibe. Similar in design but actually machined with some differences. The size of the valve itself is considerably different as to is the air chamber.

The hoseless design is a bonus for some - it bothers me not if with or without front hose, but asthetically it is more pleasing to the eye without that hose running to the front. So I guess I must be considered a 13 year old - 13 going on 39!

I think I meant the quality of the casting not moulding (moulding is plastics?).
Whatever the reason is that the ion grip frames are all very different from one to the next. Thats why it was a great idea to move the board out of the frame.


To reiterate I dont mean to imply basing the design on the Ion/Vibe is a bad thing.
Its just when youve had to fix as many as I have, you develope a semi psychotic love hate relationship with them.

[Spike]

But the ion was plastic was it not? The Nano is currently machined - not cast! Yes it seems crazy but the bodies are all machined at present. The grip is a cast but of course an alloy.

[onasilverbike]

But the ion was plastic was it not? The Nano is currently machined - not cast! Yes it seems crazy but the bodies are all machined at present. The grip is a cast but of course an alloy.

Not plastic, plastic body styling over an alloy body, albeit not tne best quality in materials or manufacture, plastic trigger though, and screw heads that usually looked like they were made from plastic after attack from the average owner.

Give the Ion its due, it has proved what a good platform it was, introduced so many players to the world of machine guns and spawned a whole industry of aftermarket parts makers.

[Spike]

yes you're right. I'd forgoten that. Was the grip alloy too? Lets face it the ION changed the whole cost basis of Paintball Markers, with as you said entry level guns that could close the gap between them and the ultra high end. SP deserve a lot of credit for that.

[kamikaze_chris]

drop in kits for ions,, lol

[NSKlad]

Was the grip alloy too?

Yup. I have a really nice aftermarket frame for an ion hiding somewhere...

[Cool3108]

Soz ignore this
a bog mistake
I'm the one pittin 2&2 together and gettin 54,000,000,00000

[Exile]

Back to the origional question of what teams are shooting 50cal I have been chatting with some entity players and they're 90% sure they're shooting 50cal from July

We are? News to me.

[Spike]

Back to the origional question of what teams are shooting 50cal I have been chatting with some entity players and they're 90% sure they're shooting 50cal from July



We are? News to me.

Funny you should say that I would have thought someone would be talking to me about it too. I think there are some wires crossed, perhaps because I was playing with a Nano at the weekend and when asked I did say of course we will be looking at it. Of course I'm putting 2 & 2 and getting 450,000,000.

[Lump]

Funny you should say that I would have thought someone would be talking to me about it too. I think there are some wires crossed, perhaps because I was playing with a Nano at the weekend and when asked I did say of course we will be looking at it. Of course I'm putting 2 & 2 and getting 450,000,000.

Spike you'd never exaggerate now would you :D

[NSKlad]

Regardless of whether Entity shoot 50.cal this season or not, I have to say the Nano was a sweet, sweet gun to shoot, and Spike does an excellent job of promoting 50.cal.

I doubt Cool saw you shooting it last weekend mate, as if he did I didn't get a hello all day! :@ :P

[Spike]

I wasn't having a pop - I see the funny side TBH.

I'm looking at putting a 50 cal fun day on soon.